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Running Zx-24 from 4x AA cells

 
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sturgessb



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Posted: 26 March 2009, 18:53 PM    Post subject: Running Zx-24 from 4x AA cells Reply with quote
Hi Guys

I'm replacing the innards of a RC transmitter with a zx and xbee and just wondering what to do regards power.

It carries 4x AA 1.5v cells and currently has a 3.3v regulator inside. Am I best to run the ZX on the 3.3v or straight from the cells (so possibly over 6v with fresh batteries) into pin 21?

Thanks

Ben
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stevech



Joined: 23 Feb 2006
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Posted: 26 March 2009, 19:41 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote
3.3V regulated from two cells? Not much headroom as the cell voltage declines.

Battery powered: for long life, you need to get the XBee to sleep per the 802.15.4 protocol for an end-device. Or just change the batteries often! They take about 30mA on receive as I recall. Transmit mode power is usually unimportant as transmissions are normally infrequent/brief.
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sturgessb



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Posted: 26 March 2009, 19:44 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote
4 cells not 2.

changing the batteries often is fine. Im also only using a 1mW xbee as it is a secondary controller that talks to the master controller only a few feet away.
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sturgessb



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Posted: 27 March 2009, 0:56 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote
I guess my options are..

1) 3.3v into pin 21
2) unregulated from batteries into pin 21 (what is the max voltage this can take, 6v?)
3) unregulated from batteries into pin 24 (what is the lowest voltage the 5v regulator will operate at?)

Which would be best?
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GTBecker



Joined: 18 Jan 2006
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Posted: 27 March 2009, 1:02 AM    Post subject: Running Zx-24 from 4x AA cells Reply with quote
> 1) 3.3v into pin 21
> 2) unregulated from batteries into pin 21

Consider your ADC calibration.

Tom
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sturgessb



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Posted: 27 March 2009, 1:13 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote
good point, although surely that rules out batteries into 21 not 24?

Ben
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dkinzer
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Posted: 27 March 2009, 1:17 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote
sturgessb wrote:
Which would be best?
I don't think options 2 and 3 are viable. Option 2 would apply an out-of-spec voltage when the batteries are fully charged. The maximum operating voltage is 5.5v but four fully charged AA cells will probably be about 6V or more. Option 3 would work except that the on-board regulator has a dropout voltage specification of nearly 2 volts at 100mA. That means that the input voltage needs to be at least 7V which you won't see even with fully charged batteries.

You could add an external regulator circuit using an LDO (low dropout) regulator. You can probably find one with a dropout voltage around 0.2V. The reason that we don't use such a regulator is that they typically have fairly low maximum input voltage specifications which would lead to a high failure rate when users apply an out-of-spec supply voltage.

Note, too, that although option 1 may work it is operating the device outside of the manufacturer's specifications. Running at 14.7MHz, the minimum operating voltage is specified to be about 3.7V if I recall correctly.
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GTBecker



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Posted: 27 March 2009, 1:41 AM    Post subject: Running Zx-24 from 4x AA cells Reply with quote
More expensive, but a solution perhaps, is to use lithium AAs, ~8v from
4x2.0v, into pin 24.

Or, if you have the room, you might add another pair of alkaline AAs, to
get ~9v from 6x1.5v.

The discharge curve of alkalines might not be helpful, but lithiums stay
up longer and fall more steeply, I think.

Tom
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sturgessb



Joined: 25 Apr 2008
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Posted: 27 March 2009, 1:55 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote
ok great thanks ill look into those two options.

LDO regulator
2v cells

Ben
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weatherman



Joined: 10 Jan 2009
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Posted: 27 March 2009, 3:04 AM    Post subject: Reply with quote
sturgessb wrote:
ok great thanks ill look into those two options.

LDO regulator
2v cells

Ben


You may want to look at a LP2954A. I typically use a 6V battery power supply in combination with this regulator for many of my projects. If you can get by with 200ma output or less, this is an excellent choice. In my experience it works well with an input as low as 5.5V.
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kurakaira



Joined: 21 Mar 2007
Posts: 32
Location: Finland
Posted: 27 March 2009, 9:53 AM    Post subject: DC / DC Easyness ... Reply with quote
Hello ,

Why not use a cheap DC / DC converter ?
Here's a part i use when connecting ZX-24's to a 12 V car battery .
Traco Power TMR1211 , it small and cheap , cost's around 10-20 € .
It gives nice and clean 5 V power at a max 400 mA , it does not even get warm at 300 mA .
Alltough specified at 9-18 V input , it's turn on is somewhere above 3.5 V and it works below 2 V !
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spamiam



Joined: 13 Nov 2005
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Posted: 27 March 2009, 18:27 PM    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think that you NEED a regulated power supply, not just straight battery power.

Also, you probably should use an efficient converter. A switching regulator is going to be noticeably more efficient than a linear regulator. Some switching regulators cost not a lot more than linear, and some even have the same pin-out! Check out Recom. (http://www.recom-power.com/pdf/Innoline-2008/R-78xx-1.0.pdf). They have lower power units as well.

-Tony
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